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  by Horazath
  on 2022-07-27 23:48

  Good points. Perhaps missing the mark a little on how it should be fixed but the culture/ethnicity divide does need to be addressed.

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  by A Enfeebled Hobbit
  on 2022-07-27 21:30

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  by mgjemi
  on 2022-07-27 19:58

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  by Sirinthal
  on 2022-07-27 19:35

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  by spameroo
  on 2022-07-27 00:53

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  by sluedis
  on 2022-07-26 22:11

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  by A Lusty T-Rex
  on 2022-07-26 19:38

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  by SilverStud
  on 2022-07-26 08:30

  More distinction is better!

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  by A Fierce Hobbit
  on 2022-07-26 07:28

  I really don't like this idea.   Firstly,   *There are several distinct cultures within China or Japan, but in the case of both nations, these cultures exist within a relatively ethnically uniform population.*   In China, there are over 50 recognised ethnicities, (and that is *government* recognised ethnicities, it is likely an anthropologist and the local population would argue there are many more). It is completely incorrect that China is ethnically uniform, and is a dangerous belief as it is causing some horrible things to happen right now in the mainland and beyond.   I believe ethnicity in worldbuilding is very important for the diversity of the characters, and we should absolutely not get rid of the name ethnicity in the article template, nor transform it into a single culture template.   Secondly, ethnicity by definition is NOT just biological and superficial. (Come on, that's the definition of the very outdated use of the term 'race'!) Ethnicity *includes* culture, it includes history, and it includes tradition. It is essential to include culture when discussing ethnicity, which I feel the templates already do sufficiently.   According to the Cambridge Dictionary, ethnicity is: "a large group of people with a shared culture, language, history, set of traditions, etc., or the fact of belonging to one of these groups:"   Thirdly, when discussing other perceptions of ethnicity, should that really be in the same article as the ethnicity itself (think about wikipedia articles! Or imagine reading about French people, only to have a chapter on what people *think* about French people???), and if you truly wish to include it, why not create your own heading?   Organisation pages already discuss social structure in much stronger detail and seem to be a better place to discuss social solidarity (among many things, how different ethnicities may perceive each other). Also, an ethnicity (and culture) does not necessarily have full control over society (and sometimes, incredibly little).   I would also argue ethnic culture and social culture are different. Settlements are more than likely made up with various ethnicities, (which again, have many opportunities to discuss culture) which will impact social structure - along with whoever is in charge!   There's more I could write here, but I realise I've left a bit of an essay. I appreciate the strong argument for, but I'm afraid I'm strongly against it this time. If the cause is truly deemed necessary by Anvilites, I hope that the template is simply expanded upon for your needs, rather than renamed/reordered/changed.

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  by TheDoctor292
  on 2022-07-26 00:08

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  by imly2k
  on 2022-07-25 12:55

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  by storyauthor
  on 2022-07-25 02:58

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  by DeificRaven
  on 2022-07-24 23:41

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  by A Filthy Unicorn
  on 2022-07-24 18:34

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  by ShinigamiAleksi
  on 2022-07-24 18:10

• +1

  by Shinon Häyhä
  on 2022-07-24 15:24

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  by Zustel
  on 2022-07-24 12:03

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  by halduron
  on 2022-07-24 09:36

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  by Eve Beyond
  on 2022-07-24 06:51

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  by mezzopatricia
  on 2022-07-24 06:22

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  by UnknownMinutes
  on 2022-07-24 02:42

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  by SubtleDragon057
  on 2022-07-24 02:27

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  by dragonoid720
  on 2022-07-24 01:07

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  by PleasantPheasant77
  on 2022-07-23 23:04

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  by A Glamorous Unicorn
  on 2022-07-23 16:49

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  by Agyess
  on 2022-07-23 15:14

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  by Rains Up Games
  on 2022-07-23 14:27

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  by A Fluffy Mlem
  on 2022-07-23 09:27

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  by Auron Bladesong
  on 2022-07-23 05:14

• +100

  by restlessGalaxy
  on 2022-07-23 04:16

• +1

  by Hugolke
  on 2022-07-23 01:46

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  by danieln
  on 2022-07-23 01:10

• +1

  by Athena10417
  on 2022-07-22 21:37

• +100

  by DarkAngelk
  on 2022-07-22 16:16

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  by Hanhula
  on 2022-07-22 09:49

  I do not think renaming the ethnicity article is going to happen - for one, that's a pain to deal with on the backend side since it's in the URL of every article made with that template... I also don't agree that it *should* be renamed. Ethnicity is just as important. However, I think this should be the same as the organisation template also being linked to and referenced by Country and Religion.   I'd love to see the Ethnicity prompts get expanded, however, much like Organisation and Character have been over time. I'd like to see Dimitris and the rest of the team take some of these suggestions here and discuss their implementation in #dev-discussion or #worlds-end-inn like we've been given opportunity to do in the past.

• +1

  by NotAGoodDM6942069
  on 2022-07-22 03:57

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  by Urania
  on 2022-07-22 01:07

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  by NovaTerra
  on 2022-07-21 23:04

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  by Adynaton Games
  on 2022-07-21 22:35

  I'm using WA to write a game world centered specifically around wizards. The distinction between culture and ethnicity has been a frequent blocker in organizing my articles well.

• +300

  by brandipurchas
  on 2022-07-21 21:48

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  by LordRogalDorn
  on 2022-07-21 17:33

• +100

  by $heckles
  on 2022-07-21 17:09

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  by Sloth-o
  on 2022-07-21 11:22

• +1

  by netherbandit
  on 2022-07-21 05:49

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  by A Enfeebled Kitten
  on 2022-07-21 02:42

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  by A Roaring Devil
  on 2022-07-20 23:37

  This makes a good deal of sense to me.

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  by A Wild Unicorn
  on 2022-07-20 22:07

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  by Imp_King
  on 2022-07-20 18:20

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  by EbonxGaming
  on 2022-07-20 02:34

  I am greatly in favor of this. Ethnicity and Culture should be two separate article types. Scyoni mentions subcultures and I think in a Culture article being able to denote that its a sub-culture of another culture would be awesome. This is something very important ethnicity and culture are not the same and right now the mixing of the two is a bit uncomfortable. One of my favorite distinguishers of the two is: Ethnicity is biologically inherited whereas Culture is socially acquired.

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  by Micah
  on 2022-07-19 21:59

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  by AuthorGoddess
  on 2022-07-19 20:35

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  by kaibrightwing
  on 2022-07-19 20:05

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  by mirrorsand
  on 2022-07-19 12:55

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  by A Fluffy Dimensional Horror
  on 2022-07-19 06:31

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  by jmckendry
  on 2022-07-18 21:06

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  by Pete Nelson
  on 2022-07-18 17:49

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  by Vibeca
  on 2022-07-18 09:02

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  by DubiousJester
  on 2022-07-18 04:31

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  by Scyoni
  on 2022-07-18 02:35

  Whether as a 'rebrand' of the current ethnicities setup or as a new article type I would love to see this - and I would love for a culture to be able to label itself as a subculture to another (or else for a culture article to have a list of 'subcultures' auto-generated in its side panel for discovery).

• +100

  by Lucifer__oO
  on 2022-07-18 01:26

  As someone said before, I mostly agree, except for the renaming.

• +100

  by dokikitsune
  on 2022-07-17 21:00

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  by psispicatum
  on 2022-07-17 19:03

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  by A Uncontrollable Dwarf
  on 2022-07-17 17:19

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  by KingWestie
  on 2022-07-17 16:20

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  by A Glamorous Kitten
  on 2022-07-17 09:38

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  by Pantasticlaire
  on 2022-07-17 07:34

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  by Derek W.
  on 2022-07-16 21:54

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  by A Roaring Velociraptor
  on 2022-07-16 18:51

  This change would also be helpful in guiding people towards specific and respectful aspects of culture as opposed to most systems that still tie culture to an ethnic identity

• +100

  by The Techno God
  on 2022-07-16 16:04

• +300

  by Willow H.R. Harper
  on 2022-07-16 12:22

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  by Tobus
  on 2022-07-16 05:34

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  by Tir Na Nog Press
  on 2022-07-16 00:57

  I cannot think of a more perfect suggestion than this. It's honestly a little uncomfortable that culture has been lumped into ethnicity for so long, and I would like to see this fixed and expanded as described in the suggestion.

• +300

  by Ailill Blackwood
  on 2022-07-15 22:27

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  by JoellaKay
  on 2022-07-15 19:02

  J B Dorman's comment reflects my own thoughts quite well.

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  by priestraven
  on 2022-07-15 17:08

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  by PrippyMontyPoppyCock
  on 2022-07-15 14:11

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  by kalvorp
  on 2022-07-15 00:43

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  by Lastr0
  on 2022-07-14 19:55

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  by Doogmcdoogil
  on 2022-07-14 18:18

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  by themrbeasley
  on 2022-07-14 17:41

  More cultural elements in general would be fun to explore, from the pov of filling out templates :D

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  by Jester%
  on 2022-07-14 14:49

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  by ethawyn
  on 2022-07-14 14:47

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  by Shadowclaimer
  on 2022-07-14 06:36

• +1

  by KitaKai
  on 2022-07-14 05:22

• -300

  by A Thundering Cthulhu
  on 2022-07-14 03:27

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  by AgentJay
  on 2022-07-13 21:27

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  by TheSolitaryGamer
  on 2022-07-13 20:19

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  by gcjones216
  on 2022-07-13 20:02

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  by MasterWheezy
  on 2022-07-13 18:13

  Fantastic Idea, also allows for us creators to think and write about things that we never even considered

• +100

  by toffepajja
  on 2022-07-13 15:45

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  by Kiriari
  on 2022-07-13 15:37

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  by ulysse.nexel
  on 2022-07-13 14:58

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  by Pingu_sAge
  on 2022-07-13 13:47

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  by Verikus
  on 2022-07-13 12:54

  As long as Ethinicity is kept this will definitely help. The Quebec idea makes sense as some cultures have many mixed ethnicities under them with distinct histories but there's no easy way to define the culture as separate from an ethnicity (I have to do that with "organization - [the literal nation] currently)

• +300

  by J B Dorman
  on 2022-07-13 03:16

  Hard agree. The current ethnicity page does work, but it can be a pain to try and get it to work for what I want it to. Having seperate Ethnicity and Culture templates would be beyond useful. The only suggestion I would make is that some basic cultural stuff be available on both for those occasions when culture and ethnicity do merge, and that there are prompts that link the to (common/primary ethnicities pages in culture, and default/common cultures in ethnicity).

• +300

  by PhilosoShy
  on 2022-07-12 22:17

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  by DM_Dezzy
  on 2022-07-12 16:41

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  by Foxyowlet
  on 2022-07-12 09:26

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  by Torporx90
  on 2022-07-12 06:34

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  by Drakolisk Lord
  on 2022-07-12 04:24

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  by A Rambunctious Elf
  on 2022-07-12 03:59

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  by oaster2000
  on 2022-07-12 03:35

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  by Cameron_Vec
  on 2022-07-11 23:47

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  by Jackeyblob
  on 2022-07-11 22:27

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  by Damparo
  on 2022-07-11 19:42

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  by A Adorable Goblin
  on 2022-07-11 18:34

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  by ScottYarbrough
  on 2022-07-11 16:11

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  by Adcheryl
  on 2022-07-11 15:00

• +100

  by mikhayu
  on 2022-07-11 02:38

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  by A Thundering Kitten
  on 2022-07-10 16:29

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  by Sach2000
  on 2022-07-10 13:08

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  by Redcollarwolf
  on 2022-07-10 11:04

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  by AuraGuard
  on 2022-07-10 03:19

  The Culture/Ethnicity rename would probably be better than calling it purely culture, and I personally would prefer more morphological prompts in the article (as I use the current ethnicity template as essentially a subspecies template, as WA refuses to allow for characters to link to more than one species article, and I am not making over a thousand mixed articles just to cover all the interbreeding that goes on in my world).   I support most of this suggestion, but I would still need the template to be able to function for actual ethnicities too. (Preferably, the culture and ethnicity would be split into two templates, because someone's culture can be different from their ethnicity or subspecies - such as an East Slavic born and raised in Korea or Japan. Where you are raised doesn't change your genetic ethnicity.)

• +300

  by LuckyHyena
  on 2022-07-09 20:59

• +1

  by A Mischievous Cthulhu
  on 2022-07-09 15:41

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  by MaizeBirdy
  on 2022-07-09 14:29

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  by PrincessESH
  on 2022-07-09 13:10

  I definitely agree that the ethnicity article is more about culture than ethnicity. I haven't used the ethnicity template much at all because I've always gotten confused about what I'm actually supposed to put in there, because the prompts are very culture-based but it's CALLED an ethnicity, which is different.

• +300

  by 2b2t
  on 2022-07-09 01:43

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  by CerberusRising
  on 2022-07-08 23:22

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  by blurrito
  on 2022-07-08 20:32

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  by P-47 Thunderbolt
  on 2022-07-08 20:12

  Speaking as someone who just finished an 18,000 word Ethnicity article the other day, I think the template is fine, though some additions could be useful (such as "Cuisine," a suggestion I myself made earlier). If any change were to be made to the template name, I would suggest "Culture/Ethnicity," as it is really applicable to both ("Ethnicity: a social group sharing a common and distinctive culture, religion, language, etc.") Most of your additions are redundant, split an existing prompt into two, or seemingly eliminate a prompt (e.g. dress codes). The only ones I actually support adding (other than food, which is already an accepted suggestion) are "Social Structure" and "Intercultural Relations."

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  by ErkytheSteamGnome
  on 2022-07-08 14:44

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  by Scalenex
  on 2022-07-08 11:15

  Good idea, poor implementation   I think changing the name is not a good idea.   I do think expanding the subheadings IS a good idea though some of the extra categories are more than a little redundant.   I don't like "Morality and social punishments" (it's tied to many other categories such as" "taboos", "social hierarchy", and "shared values"). "Intoxicants" is also unnecessary.    

• +100

  by Shadow Malachi
  on 2022-07-08 09:57

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  by A Filthy Orc
  on 2022-07-08 09:16

• +300

  by Dalf32
  on 2022-07-08 02:11

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  by A Thundering Dragon
  on 2022-07-07 23:49

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  by amelianite
  on 2022-07-07 22:21

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  by A Adorable Dragon
  on 2022-07-07 22:14

  I'd love to have the rename too, culture is more broad and is better. Perhaps this is also why we have so many requests for god template. Why do we have something so specific as ethnicity, tradition, and all kinds of little templates for culture yet we must lump 80% of our content into "characters". Either have all articles be more broad or generic or have more specific templates /rant

• +1

  by appleyjuice
  on 2022-07-07 21:51

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  by A Goodhearted Kobold
  on 2022-07-07 20:51

  Partly agree. No renaming that is stupid, as 'culture' and 'ethnicity' are two different things; but an expansion to Ethnicity would be great.

• +300

  by EVTaurus
  on 2022-07-07 20:16

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  by A Mischievous Kitten
  on 2022-07-07 19:30

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  by Mochimanoban
  on 2022-07-07 19:29

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  by anc789sims
  on 2022-07-07 18:46

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  by BCGR_Wurth
  on 2022-07-07 18:41

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  by Rumengol
  on 2022-07-07 18:31

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  by RockCat
  on 2022-07-07 18:17

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  by illumiinae
  on 2022-07-07 17:34

  Yes please. Coming from an anthropological background, the ethnicity page has never really felt like it was about ethnicity, it's definitely more about culture.   Also I have been dying for a section about views of/relations with outsiders somewhere other than the species articles. Lots of cultures are stereotyped and stereotype others in return, and it's been difficult to find a place to write about that.

• +1

  by Necromancyfan
  on 2022-07-07 17:30

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  by Ratha
  on 2022-07-07 17:26

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  by Logan Mountain
  on 2022-07-07 16:44