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adding multiple species to character articles

New Feature Addition · Articles & templates · Created by Arlatius
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What functionality is missing? What is unsatisfying with the current situation?

  In many fantasy settings there are multiple sapient species that can have children together, however currently when creating a character using the character template a writer can only select one species using existing (or creating new) species articles.   While it may be reasonable to create articles for common species mixes that appear frequently in the setting, if a writer has a many sapient species that can breed it can be excessive having to create an individual article for each possible combination - especially when a species mix is uncommon or only needed to fill out the species section of a character article. This can also lead to extreme article bloat within a world.    

How does this feature request address the current situation?

  By allowing a user to add multiple species (in the same way that a user can add multiple ethnicities) to a character it eliminates the need to create articles that an author may find arbitray or unnessecary.

Follow up


ALTERNATE SOLUTION:   This solution is completely different, but I think it would also serve to solve the issue I mentioned about article bloat. Another possible solution to this issue is to give users the ability to type out the name of a new species *without* requiring a new article to be created, similar to how you can write in a location in the "current residence" section of the character template without necessarily having to create a new article to reflect that location.

The Team's Response

Hey everyone!  

Response to the Follow-up and Suggestion

A system that allows you to do that already exists. It's the key value system and it is specifically designed to do that (be used to add extreme cases of specialised cases). Considering that most characters either belong to a major species (that is what makes them a major species, hybrids are a rare case (like Spock as mentioned above)   You can find more about the Key-values BBcode here: https://www.worldanvil.com/w/WorldAnvilCodex/a/bbcode  

Example of use

  • Do not use the species dropdown
  • Type the following:
  • --Species::Human[br]Elf[br]Your mom--   Displays as:
    Species
    Human
    Elf
    Your mom
      This system can be used also with the @ system to replace teh Human, Elf or Your Mom species with links to those pages AND if you are a Grandmaster it can also be toggled using the visibility system  

    Suggestion statistics

    As far as the suggestion goes, my opinion is just one more in the pile. We had 116 people voting, 10 of them negatively. that has not reached the 300 people threshold or the points gathered threshold.   The character article is already one of the most heavy and filled article templates and I do not want to burden it with more options that will be more confusing than helpful in most of the cases.   As always you can message me at the development-discussion channel in discord to discuss further.  

    Personal Opinion and current reasoning

      I have to admit that this thread made me want to bring a geneticist/biologist on stream because I am finding fascinating how much misunderstanding there is behind the definition of a species. Just to clarify, Spock, as it was mentioned has a single species, yes he is unique but he still belongs to a singular species. He is not carrying the genetic material of two species in him, he has a singular strain of DNA that defines his species. Of course there is a lot of handwavium involved on how Spock can exist being the biproduct of 2 species that come for two different planets but yes, he existence implies the fact.   If you want to bring it closer to earth let's talk about CORN, Hybrids of corn are still their own hybridized new species of corn - hybrids may or may not be viable ( which actually means that they can have progeny) or not but they are still their own species. That is why all products of a horse and a donkey are mules (even if mules cannot produce offspring of their own (most commonly)   In RPG terms a half-elf or a half-dwarf is also not two species. When you create (most commonly) a half elf you do not get the abilities of the human and the abilities of an elf an mash them together to create a thing that has both or even parts of its predecessors. They are completely unique and have their own rules which are in some games a mix of the previous and is many other cases utterly different.   In truth I think that this might come down to laziness, simply, and understandably you might not want to create multiple articles for each hybridized species character, and I get that.
    Current score

    116/300 Votes · +19580 points

    Votes Cast

    • +300

      by ruskerdax
      on 2022-04-09 02:50
    • +300

      by VorpalJoe
      on 2022-04-09 00:39
    • -50

      by Bloody_Oleander
      on 2022-04-08 20:25
    • +300

      by A Beloved Dwarf
      on 2022-04-08 20:07
    • +100

      by The_Icon
      on 2022-04-08 18:45
    • +200

      by Zemeraire
      on 2022-04-08 11:32
    • +200

      by LoeyM
      on 2022-04-08 11:32
    • -100

      by A Wild Hobbit
      on 2022-04-08 07:43
    • +300

      by Tristan Snaer
      on 2022-04-08 04:32
    • +300

      by DarkhorseMB
      on 2022-04-08 03:35
    • +50

      by david12king
      on 2022-04-07 23:00
    • +20

      by PrincessESH
      on 2022-04-07 22:12
    • +300

      by joeygraceffa
      on 2022-04-07 17:17
    • +300

      by NecroAura
      on 2022-04-07 14:22
    • +300

      by gnjcksn
      on 2022-04-07 13:06
    • +300

      by Drakkeshar
      on 2022-04-07 09:59
      Hybrids are not the only use for this imo. I have people who can change species or have multiple bodies (not all the same species), I also have people who were born one species but mutated into something else and being able to keep track of what they were before the change like this would be neat.
    • +300

      by TheRealSpaceBandito
      on 2022-04-07 05:39
    • +100

      by A Roaring Ooze
      on 2022-04-06 22:13
    • +300

      by TheMonkeyDoodles
      on 2022-04-06 21:49
    • +200

      by DarthGaymer
      on 2022-04-06 18:15
    • +300

      by Jetsetdrift
      on 2022-04-06 18:09
    • +100

      by AJWithall
      on 2022-04-06 16:13
    • +300

      by imly2k
      on 2022-04-06 14:58
    • +300

      by Barron
      on 2022-04-06 03:08
    • +300

      by Ademal
      on 2022-04-06 03:07
    • +10

      by Evil God Acedia
      on 2022-04-05 12:42
    • +50

      by man1984man
      on 2022-04-04 22:28
    • +300

      by DaisyChick
      on 2022-04-04 21:50
    • +300

      by Rieliesza
      on 2022-04-04 11:01
    • +300

      by ProfessorCoke
      on 2022-04-03 21:10
    • +20

      by stonebandit
      on 2022-04-03 19:44
    • +20

      by Arimel
      on 2022-04-03 16:03
    • +20

      by wombatv
      on 2022-04-03 14:49
    • +300

      by Dunnxx
      on 2022-04-03 07:09
    • +50

      by Perso243
      on 2022-04-02 19:56
    • +100

      by Nimsy
      on 2022-04-02 19:38
    • +300

      by FlintwickFizzlebaumDM
      on 2022-04-02 19:27
    • +300

      by InformationMagpie
      on 2022-04-02 18:31
    • +300

      by A Goodhearted Unicorn
      on 2022-04-02 15:33
    • +300

      by zarra
      on 2022-04-02 14:16
    • +100

      by Lastkiss
      on 2022-04-02 12:51
    • +200

      by Secere Laetes
      on 2022-04-02 06:16
    • +300

      by Carshand
      on 2022-04-02 05:24
    • +200

      by BrandedTales
      on 2022-04-02 04:57
    • +300

      by A Filthy Dryad
      on 2022-04-01 20:38
    • +300

      by Rollbad
      on 2022-04-01 18:45
    • +300

      by XanderHAHA
      on 2022-04-01 18:15
    • -10

      by AvalonArcana
      on 2022-04-01 13:55
    • +100

      by ddaniel
      on 2022-04-01 12:42
      While I do not personally have a use for this, I can definitely see the issue if you have let's say 20 species and everything can mix with everything. That would be a lot of species articles. I'd appreciate making it a multi link instead of a simple box tho.
    • +20

      by edosan
      on 2022-04-01 09:56
    • +300

      by DaniAdventures
      on 2022-04-01 09:21
    • +200

      by A Adorable Kobold
      on 2022-04-01 00:14
    • +300

      by CelestiaNightamre16
      on 2022-03-31 16:19
    • +50

      by Puns
      on 2022-03-30 16:52
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      by sryxi
      on 2022-03-30 08:56
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      by A Enfeebled Cthulhu
      on 2022-03-29 23:57
    • +20

      by melancholy.ace
      on 2022-03-29 22:15
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      by MrBauta
      on 2022-03-29 18:34
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      by theaaronw0
      on 2022-03-29 18:25
    • +300

      by Hilldur
      on 2022-03-29 11:14
    • +100

      by magnarex_
      on 2022-03-29 10:57
    • +200

      by A Fierce Orc
      on 2022-03-29 07:14
    • +100

      by Kavriel
      on 2022-03-29 06:11
    • +50

      by MistahFluffles
      on 2022-03-29 01:42
    • +300

      by amelianite
      on 2022-03-28 23:44
    • +300

      by MiteMaster
      on 2022-03-28 21:45
    • +20

      by tim-in-a-box
      on 2022-03-28 11:34
    • +300

      by LordGalakrond
      on 2022-03-28 10:40
    • +50

      by Nos4a2
      on 2022-03-27 22:53
    • +20

      by Gills Guild
      on 2022-03-27 13:59
    • +50

      by A Glamorous Bananafolk
      on 2022-03-27 10:40
    • +100

      by Amber World
      on 2022-03-27 10:06
    • +300

      by Gibsonb
      on 2022-03-27 01:59
    • +10

      by morganarcher
      on 2022-03-27 01:00
      Idea: How about we just make the box a write-in box where people can @ link to whatever articles they want? I think being given an open box to decide how to deal with it on an individual basis would be nice for those who don't want to create their own setup outside of the template.
    • +300

      by Scyoni
      on 2022-03-26 16:33
    • +20

      by Walicia
      on 2022-03-26 08:20
    • +200

      by Writing Bishop
      on 2022-03-26 02:20
    • +300

      by Careen Ligh
      on 2022-03-25 18:39
    • +300

      by _TheMo_
      on 2022-03-25 17:22
    • +300

      by A Beloved Velociraptor
      on 2022-03-25 13:53
    • +300

      by BlueytheGinger
      on 2022-03-24 22:44
    • +100

      by mgjemi
      on 2022-03-24 22:13
    • +300

      by Rosuin
      on 2022-03-24 19:52
    • +100

      by Liath_Hawke
      on 2022-03-24 16:34
    • +300

      by WolfofWinter
      on 2022-03-24 14:58
    • +100

      by Rallog97
      on 2022-03-24 02:27
    • +300

      by A Fierce Dragon
      on 2022-03-23 18:51
    • -100

      by Scalenex
      on 2022-03-23 15:43
      Hybrids should be classified as a separate species, in literary terms if not in scientific terms.
    • +300

      by Nubs
      on 2022-03-23 06:26
    • +300

      by AuraGuard
      on 2022-03-23 05:07
      Stars, this would be extremely useful to me - I have a lot of species, a lot of mixes, and quite a few characters who're something other than half/half something. I have characters who're, like, one fourth elf, one fourth dwarf, and then half human, or characters who're like, one sixteenth dragon, seven parts elf, and six parts human.   I also have those who're 'fusions' - people who're species mixes artificially through magic ritual.   This makes it so that I have to create a huge amount of articles for various combinations, some of which are very obscure or even unique combinations.   I do *not* have a typical fantasy setting - for instance, elves and humans are, in my setting, officially different species, to a pretty significant extent (elves are felines, and humans are most certainly not). Elves can breed with humans because of divine influence and magic.   In my world, using magic, it's possible to breed, for instance, wolves with lions. As such, unless I go about making species be 'body plan types' ('humanoid,' 'animal,' etc., like D&D, which I am actually actively trying to move away from), I'm currently at a bit of a quandary.
    • +300

      by puff1n
      on 2022-03-23 00:24
    • +300

      by tjmichaels
      on 2022-03-22 22:01
      I like this idea. My current WIP has characters of multiple species and ethnicities, but I can only include the multi's for one category but not the other.
    • +10

      by Nightgaara
      on 2022-03-22 20:34
    • +10

      by Rayna Fairbell
      on 2022-03-22 08:13
      This was rejected in the past, because of subjective opinion. However, creating an extra species for every possible racial makeup is also tedious and in a lot of cases, completely unnecessary and creates a lot of articles just for the sake of linking it to a character. For a solution, I think it would be better to create a race or ancestry template that could be linked to a species.   In terms of a fantasy setting - elves and humans are technically the same type of species: Humanoid. They are just different races. So if you could create a "Humanoid" species and then link "Elf", "Human", "Halfling" etc. as races, this would solve the problem. You can keep the limitation for one species, but create a "Race" or "Ancestry" link with multiple selections. This way you could also more easily create subraces like High Elves and link them properly to a character.
    • +300

      by Witherskid
      on 2022-03-22 06:35
    • -300

      by Hanhula
      on 2022-03-22 04:38
    • +300

      by Shadowclaimer
      on 2022-03-22 03:13
    • +300

      by A Enfeebled Cthulhu
      on 2022-03-22 02:30
    • +20

      by FictionFan1995
      on 2022-03-21 22:08
    • +100

      by BethSea13
      on 2022-03-21 22:07
    • +100

      by eharville24
      on 2022-03-21 02:54
    • +50

      by Adcheryl
      on 2022-03-21 02:40
    • +50

      by restlessGalaxy
      on 2022-03-21 02:36
    • +300

      by A Fierce Kitten
      on 2022-03-20 22:14
      Echoing that hybrids are commonly not a new species. To use another Star Trek example, Spock is half Vulcan and half human. He and other people of the same mixed background are not considered a new species at all. He may identify as Vulcan, but the fact is he has biologic traits of Vulcans and humans. A blend, not a new thing in itself. Same with mules and ligers, like have already been said.
    • +20

      by Dedublio
      on 2022-03-20 12:51
    • +300

      by Darth_Nikolas
      on 2022-03-20 12:16
      This is something I have wished I could do on more than one occasion. I understand that it would technically create a whole new species, but I feel there are worldbuilding scenarios it is applicable. For example, Ba'el from ST:TNG is half Klingon half Romulan, rather than defining her and the related characters as a unique species, both sides are acknowledged. Having grown up with that thought process from ST and other series, I do often wish I could add more than one species to a character.
    • +100

      by A Frightened Velociraptor
      on 2022-03-20 10:04
    • +20

      by Zada2011
      on 2022-03-20 00:29
    • +20

      by A Lusty Dimensional Horror
      on 2022-03-19 20:40
    • +300

      by Ratha
      on 2022-03-19 18:46
      I agree, hybrids are NOT a species in their own right, they are a mix of species. Hybrids being called by their own name- mules or ligers, for example- is so we don't have to keep calling them "donkey-horses" or "lion-tigers."
    • -300

      by A Revolutionary Kobold
      on 2022-03-19 14:12
    • -100

      by UnknownWriter88
      on 2022-03-19 13:44
    • +200

      by VariableX
      on 2022-03-19 12:59
      Hybrids are not necessarily species. (A mule is not considered a species, as mules are infertile: https://www.nagwa.com/en/videos/810141716124/)   Some hybrids even have more than two species in their lineage. For those authors who want to be as scientifically precise as possible, it would be handy to have the option to show two or more species.
    • -300

      by aburnstorm
      on 2022-03-19 12:41
    • -10

      by Michael Chandra
      on 2022-03-19 04:44
      Rejected in the past
    • -300

      by A Revolutionary Kitten
      on 2022-03-19 04:41
      A single character will be a single spiecies, the species can be a chimera or a melding but at the point that the new character/creature is born it is a new species.   A half elf is not Elf AND Human, it's an Elf, a species with two different speceis as parents but unique on its own.   Is like calling a Mule a Donkey-Horse :P
    • +300

      by Arlatius
      on 2022-03-19 03:51