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Stealth

One of the biggest issues with stealth in tabletop games such as D&D or PTU is its binary state: Often, you roll some kind of sneaking skill versus a target's awareness skill and you either are spotted or are not. While it gets the job done, it gives the majority of control to the DM, usually leading to an exercise where the player has to "guess" what the DM's stealth parameters are, which naturally differ from table to table. It also fails to represent real-life or genre-appropriate stealth, in that a single point of failure usually results in combat music starting. Scenarios such as "a guard can hear you but not see you" are usually relegated to roleplaying rather than a objective, cohesive system.
 
The system below is intended to take a "system" that does not work and replace it with one that does.

The first thing to be changed is the stealth paradigm itself - Stealth is no longer that someone knows you are there and is trying to find you, but instead stealth is what YOU do to prevent others from finding out you are there until they do. The basic idea is that you roll the Stealth skill, your opponents roll the Perception skill, and you choose to perform actions that give the opponent increasing bonuses until their Perception exceeds your Stealth. The "stealther" (the person initiating stealth) never knows the Perception result of the person they are performing actions against.
 
Every action you take could result in being caught, but managing your risk can result in skillfully sneaking up behind an enemy before taking them out, or simply avoiding them altogether.

Range

  For the purposes of Stealth, there are five ranges: Adjacent, Tight, Middle, Far, and Outside Far. These ranges are defined in the Range table below.   NOTE: If no path around exists, 2 meter thick Blocking Terrain that cannot be seen through adds one Range to any detector, with additional 2 meter thick Blocking Terrain (whether separate or contiguous) adding another range category. If a path around does exist, that path adds to the distance. This means that a PC sneaking on the other side of a 6 meter thick stone wall would count as being in the Outside Far range instead of Tight range.

Beginning Stealth

  When you want to approach and do something without people noticing you, declare that you are begin acting stealthily and roll a Stealth Check. Your roll and any bonuses to Stealth result in your "Stealth Value". A specific stealth session ends either when the PC stops trying to be stealthy (such as using Extended Actions, attacking/using Combat Maneuvers, or recalling/releasing a Pokemon) or when enemies start yelling about their presence and the combat music starts.   Enemies, based on the current circumstances, should roll and have a "Perception Value" which is the result of a Perception Check, before any circumstantial modifiers based on the creature they are trying to detect. Circumstantial modifiers based on the creature making a Perception Check still apply as detailed below. This Perception Value is further modified each round based on which, if any of the stealthing creatures have circumstantial modifiers with respect to the creature, creating a separate detection value for each creature using stealth. Modifiers are presented in groups, in all cases, only the largest absolute value bonus of that group applies.

Stealth Ranges


Stealth RangeDistance
Adjacent1 meter or less
Tight1-12 meters
Middle12-60 meters
Far60-240 meters
Outside Far240+ meters

If, at the onset of stealth, the PCs are Outside Far Range with respect to any detectors, then they are automatically not detected. If on the other hand, they are Far Range or closer, check to see if the Perception Value exceeds the Stealth Value, if it does so, they are detected. If they are detected, then provide the detecting enemies with a surprise round, and proceed to "In Conflict Uncertainty."

Circumstantial Modifiers


Modifiers to Perception Value based on the spotting creature.Modifiers to Perception Value based on the stealthing creature.
-3 if detector is focused on another subject.+0 Within Far Range
-6 if detector is concentrating on another task or a minor Illusion.+1 Within Middle Range
-10 if detector is asleep or otherwise in a state of extreme nonsensory perception or concentrating on a major Illusion.+3 Within Tight Range
+3 if the detector has the Tracker capability.+5 Within Adjacent Range
+6 if the detector has the Aura Reader capability.-2 for every size category the stealther is smaller than than the detector.
+9 if the detector has the Blindsense capability.+2 for every size category the stealther is larger than the detector.
Detectors with Tremorsense automatically detect anyone within 5 meters of them who is touching the ground.-5 if the stealther has a minor impediment to a primary sense of the enemy, such as being behind Rough Terrain, using the Blender/Stealth capabilities, sneaking through fog, being on the ceiling above them, etc.
Detectors with X-Ray Vision negate up to 6 meters of Blocking Terrain depending on the material.-10 if the stealther has major impediment to a primary sense of the enemy, such as using the Dead Silent or Invisibility capabilities
Detectors with Lifesense automatically detect any non-Ghost-type creatures within X meters of them, where X is the level of the creature.

Stealth Actions

The list of actions that can be taken from stealth is below. There is no possibility to pass time without taking actions, if the stealther wishes to wait, then they must choose the waiting action for the appropriate time period listed below. When a stealther chooses to perform an action from below, the associated bonus is provided to all detectors within at least Far range until they leave Far range for that detectors Perception Value against them. Successive actions provide cumulative bonuses that stack with each other without end.
 
  • If after resolving any non attack action, the Perception Value of an detector would exceed the Stealth Value of the corresponding stealther, then the detector may take a Standard Action as a surprise action, at any point before or during that action. After that, you should probably asking for Initiative.
  • If after resolving an attack action but before resolving the attack, the Perception Value of a detector would exceed the Stealth Value of the corresponding stealther, you should ask for Initiative.
  • If after resolving an attack action and the attack, the Perception Value of a detector would exceed the Stealth Value of the corresponding stealther, you should resolve the action, the attack, and then ask for Initiative.

Bonuses Accrued to Detector for Actions Taken By Stealther:


BonusAction
+0Moving
+11 Minute of waiting
+310 Minutes of waiting
+61 Hour of waiting
+108 Hours of waiting
+151 Day of Waiting
+211 Week of Waiting
+2Whispering to a creature within 2 meters (Bonus only applies to creatures in Tight range)
+5Moving an object in the detector's zone that predated your arrival
+10Significantly effecting the environment in a highly noticeable manner for the detector (Such as finding a blood splatter or a new hole in the wall)
+2Making an attack action
+15Detector is the subject of an attack roll and survives.

In Conflict Uncertainty

Once a creature knows you are around, the nature of identification changes. If you have been detected out of your stealth, then if you are not behind Rough Terrain or are visible, the sighted creature knows your exact location down to the square. If you are behind Rough Terrain or are using the Blender or Invisibility capabilities, the sighted creature is aware of your general presence in their zone of control, and you roll a Stealth Check which is opposed by their Perception check. Failing by 24 or more gives them no specific information about your location. Failing by 12 gives them a 180 degree field in which you are located (roll 1d2 if you are diagonal on the grid). Failing by 6 gives them a 90 degree arc. Failing by 3 gives them a a 90 degree arc distance and they know you are within 1d4 meters of your square. Hitting exactly the DC gives them the square.
 
The Perception roll receives a -6 penalty if you are behind Rough Terrain or are using the Blender or Invisibility capabilities. If you are using the Dead Silent and Invisibility capabilities, the penalty is increased to -12.

Shamelessly adapted from a D&D 3e Stealth overhaul.

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Aug 24, 2019 14:46 by Jairo (Ceres) Lugilde Paz

I'm really liking this rules. They provide a strategic and tense aspect to stealth, with I'm certain will make it way engaging for players. However, I see that it is required to keep track of each creature present in the scene, either their stealth or perception values which are constantly altered. In your experience, does it get confusing or is it manageable?   Btw have you checked the Assasin homebrew class? It could have interesting interactions with this system, and it fits perfectly in your setting

Aug 24, 2019 15:14 by The Chronicler

Did you mean this one? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8jHJH4NsxWhS1FYLU1YM3VTV0U/view Or something else? To be honest, I still need to playtest this. But I'm also the kind of GM who regularly throws hordes of enemies at my party, so I'll be dealing with a LOT of Perception Values. I'll post a thread on the forums once I've done some testing. I don't expect it to be too bad, though - you're only rolling once per creature in the scene, so you just need to keep track of the situation. We'll see.

Aug 24, 2019 17:36 by Jairo (Ceres) Lugilde Paz

Yep, that one. It looks interesting, with a decently high skill ceiling. With your stealth rules, and if you expect your players to use it to cut a lot of the enemie's numbers, it could be really fun

Aug 28, 2019 05:41 by The Chronicler

Well, I just did my first playtest with a couple of my players, a Large non-stealth PC and a Medium sized guy with Adept stealth infiltrating a house with 8 bandits inside to rescue a hostage. I'm just now realizing I forgot to apply the size penalty, and I also forgot to account for the increased distance when factoring their Perception Values, but my players responded positively to it and I liked the results it gave overall.   It was a dark and stormy night with a single guy posted at the front door, who detected the Large guy sneaking in the fields towards the manor's cellar. In retrospect, I also forgot to apply the -6 penalty for how dark and foggy it was, which probably means they wouldn't have gotten detected, but the guy had enough Overland movement to get to the cellar and close the door before the bandit pinpointed his location. Once inside, they snuck up out of the cellar into the kitchen, where a single bandit was rummaging through a box of food. The Large PC got right up behind him and tried to slit his throat, but only managed to cut him really good. I called for initiative and my Medium PC was faster than the bandit, so he was able to get next to him and finish the job before he could cry for help.   At this point, they rolled Stealth again, because some bandits heard the commotion and came to investigate. The Large PC rolled very poorly and said "fuck it", running out into the room to draw their attention while the other PC made it over to the stairs while they were distracted. The Large PC ran upstairs to the door the hostage was in and blocked it off from the bandits, giving the other PC enough wiggle room to make it through the upper hallway undetected into the smoking room that a couple of the bandits were in just a few seconds before. The Large PC busted the door off its hinges to make sure there wasn't anybody inside who could hurt he hostage, and there wasn't, but he took some more hits while the other PC looked around the smoking room and found a secret door leading into the hostage's room. Then the Large PC hit a couple bandits off the balcony while the other guy cut the ropes on the hostage, who made their stealth roll, and they went through the secret door and the hostage was told to jump through the window to (relative) safety. He made it out, but that caught the attention of the archers in the hallway that were shooting at the Large PC, so the other guy went into combat and they wasted the last few guys before leaving with the hostage.   My players said they enjoyed knowing exactly what their actions meant with regards to their enemies, and I enjoyed that they were able to be detected without completely blowing their cover. The one playing the Large PC usually plays stealthy characters, and he was concerned that the system marginalizes people with poor Stealth skills, since it's hard to get around undetected for very long. I think part of that is because I forgot so many penalties, but even then they managed to make it inside and kill a person undetected, and the stealthier character was able to successfully reach their objective.   It's a fair amount to keep track of, but I really want to experiment more with this and get a feel for it. You probably need to account for these rules when you're making dungeons or setpieces or whatever you call them for your game, especially if you have someone who's going to be sneaking around a lot. Using this system makes spatial awareness and positioning fairly important, and we handled the approach almost on a turn-by-turn basis. It took us about an hour from start to finish.

Aug 28, 2019 06:40 by The Chronicler

In retrospect, I think I've approached the math progression here from the wrong direction. Skill systems in d20 systems are linear by nature, while things skew towards averages when you start rolling fistfuls of d6s. I think this may be why my un-stealthy PC felt less competent than he otherwise should have. I've massaged the numbers to reflect this, and look forward to testing them more.