Follow up

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  by Decivaern, Destroyer of Worlds
  on 2022-02-25 02:50

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  by Luthcoth
  on 2022-02-24 05:07

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  by DMJojo
  on 2022-02-24 03:04

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  by Zemandur
  on 2022-02-23 15:36

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  by Angantyr
  on 2022-02-23 13:35

  I'm upvoting this to increase the chance of the request resulting in a change, but think the field should rather be split at the very least to Sex/Sexuality and Gender, since they describe two different things.

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  by Jontaro
  on 2022-02-23 13:23

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  by Sodose
  on 2022-02-23 12:29

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  by Wombatcausehwynot
  on 2022-02-22 00:42

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  by Guerulfus
  on 2022-02-20 22:08

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  by BurningGod
  on 2022-02-20 21:24

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  by A Filthy Velociraptor
  on 2022-02-19 20:14

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  by Walicia
  on 2022-02-19 08:06

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  by AJWithall
  on 2022-02-19 03:34

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  by Bluboram
  on 2022-02-19 02:23

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  by Sach2000
  on 2022-02-18 16:46

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  by Vaporstrike19
  on 2022-02-18 03:40

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  by diskid08
  on 2022-02-17 16:52

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  by BlooberryPi3
  on 2022-02-17 00:33

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  by BARON229
  on 2022-02-16 15:56

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  by A Beloved Bananafolk
  on 2022-02-15 19:30

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  by Ezrageric
  on 2022-02-14 19:14

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  by 713Moose
  on 2022-02-13 20:57

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  by WeirdCorvo
  on 2022-02-13 04:57

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  by A Fluffy Kitten
  on 2022-02-12 18:43

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  by A Goodhearted Hobbit
  on 2022-02-12 18:13

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  by ParkerDouglas
  on 2022-02-12 15:10

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  by restlessGalaxy
  on 2022-02-12 10:44

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  by rivventhedm
  on 2022-02-11 21:16

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  by spartacus007
  on 2022-02-11 20:53

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  by RNouveau
  on 2022-02-11 19:21

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  by mezzopatricia
  on 2022-02-11 05:59

  Yeah. I think what got landed on in the Discord is right.

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  by Ailill Blackwood
  on 2022-02-10 19:54

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  by Keith Dorn
  on 2022-02-10 13:54

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  by ArchCon
  on 2022-02-10 07:54

  I find myself most in line with Spartango's suggestion of quick sidebar facts and then an in depth text field to be filled out as needed. I'm a bit torn as to whether "sex" should be included in the sidebar. I would prefer to simply fill out "gender" and "pronouns" for sidebar, finding "sex" too similar to having someone ask whether I've had "the surgery." That's between me, my doctor, and anyone I choose to be intimate with. However, each of these fields is optional and it may be important for some to include each field. Ultimately I think the addition of these fields would be a positive step towards inclusivity.

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  by Timekeepers
  on 2022-02-09 19:40

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  by anamis18
  on 2022-02-09 19:14

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  by Nugget909
  on 2022-02-09 19:07

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  by KOPPEN
  on 2022-02-09 16:06

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  by braintird
  on 2022-02-09 11:07

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  by A Beloved Dragon
  on 2022-02-08 14:58

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  by Attacus
  on 2022-02-08 10:19

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  by A Adorable Dimensional Horror
  on 2022-02-08 00:20

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  by DotingCourtier
  on 2022-02-06 19:54

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  by A Mischievous Dryad
  on 2022-02-06 10:49

  Gender is a trait, not an identity. Same as your height, skin and hair color. Anyone can observe your sex and its effect on you, and the idea of gender is an observation of sex. Identity is something you develop through the choices you make in your life. Sex develops on its own, outside of your control. Why is this poll even a thing?

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  by A Beloved Cthulhu
  on 2022-02-06 07:36

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  by KrostaTina
  on 2022-02-05 22:13

  Even from the point of view of someone who also write adult content, I don't feel the need of a section to specify the sex assigned at birth to my characters. That can be specified, if needed, in the body of the article. "Gender identity" and "Pronouns" are more significative and a "Presentation" field can help to qualify at first glance how they relate with others, with the chance to expand it in the article. I really only think that "Presented sex" is an awkward wording for how I and most people would use that field.

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  by UnknownWriter88
  on 2022-02-05 21:25

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  by Everwild
  on 2022-02-05 17:13

  Personally, I feel this has become very convoluted (on the template, to clarify). The terms "Gender" and "Sex" are synonymous, if you're to believe the dictionary definitions, and therefore redundant. Since it appears to be a simple text field, I would mark the current "Presented Sex" as just "Gender", because we then have the freedom to simply write in our own terms: Male. Female. Asexual. Trans-woman. Non-binary, GSM, etc. THEN, I would organize the fields under the Mental tab with the information that can be expanded upon, such as sexual orientation, presentation, gender identity, or preferred pronouns, and so on (I realize pronouns are on the sidebar). I suggest "Gender" rather than "Sex" because to me, it's the more open, more fluid, and broader term. I would like to see a field added for orientation where I could just drop something like "poly amorous" as a single word descriptor that would show up in the sidebar, and that I could also expand on in the detailed Mental section if I so chose. But, that's just me (and I make up my own sidebar information anyhow).

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  by Artofeliza
  on 2022-02-05 17:10

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  by TheBlindGamer
  on 2022-02-05 15:48

  I would really prefer a "Presents as" field as well as a "sex" field so those that wish to use either or both can do so. Some characters may present as masculine but be female whilst using he/him pronouns, others may be intersex (hermaphroditism- presenting with both male and female genitals) but identify as non binary so present as neither/nongender. Either way if we only get 1 field I rather have "Presents as" and stick their genitals in the article somewhere.

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  by PrincessHoneytea
  on 2022-02-05 14:55

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  by A Rambunctious Mlem
  on 2022-02-05 10:32

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  by Felixora
  on 2022-02-05 09:25

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  by arty
  on 2022-02-05 09:15

  I'm glad to have stumbled upon this suggestion! There's no need in my opinion to have any mention of a character's sex show up in the sidebar at all because as you described, this is not something that is apparent at a glance for most characters - and the sidebar, to me, is a section of the article that summarizes the features/aspects of a character that are noticeable at first glance. "Presents as" could be a good new label for the field in question. A little blurb explaining the intentional use and possible alternative uses of this field on the article editing page should clear up all confusion on the side of the creator of the article. (Many fields already have such blurbs that give context to the field label.) Fields that could and should take up more space than a few words belong into the article body, where the writer can elaborate on more complex topics.   Also thank you so much for making me aware of the GSM acronym. I haven't seen it before and as someone who struggles immensely with getting the letters of long acronyms into the correct order when typing/speaking from memory, this is going to make my life a lot easier.

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  by FenDawnchild
  on 2022-02-05 08:16

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  by RosieFox
  on 2022-02-05 06:18

  I personally agree with many of the other comments that having a “sex” field and a “gender” field in the sidebar would be most helpful. There is already a sidebar section for pronouns so that’s already available. As a person not always fluent in the lingo of today, just having a “presenting as” field is too vague and I think it could also be confusing to people new to the platform who aren’t sure what it’s for.

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  by Isaac Thompson
  on 2022-02-05 06:02

  Echoing the thoughts of many so far - Having a field for Sex, Gender, Pronouns, and then a larger section available for more in-depth description of the character's gender expression and presentation. It shouldn't need to be more complex than that for most peoples needs. If someone does need things to be more specific, they can add fields to the sidebar with key values, or headers to the main body, without the large amount of fields possible confusing users who don't need all of them.

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  by A Roaring Dwarf
  on 2022-02-05 05:43

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  by A Beloved Devil
  on 2022-02-05 05:27

  I think the standard boxes of sex, gender & pronouns are enough to appear in the sidebar and would fit most peoples needs. In the main body/vignette this can be explained and expanded, in a personal history field for instance. And with bbcode any other option can be placed in the sidebar or vignette. (Also note, you don't have to use the boxes if it is not relevant to your world building or you want something else.)

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  by Shadow Malachi
  on 2022-02-05 05:02

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  by A Frightened Cthulhu
  on 2022-02-05 04:46

  I agree with spartango, A Fluffy Elf, Monkos, and zpires' suggestions.

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  by Audrey Azura
  on 2022-02-05 04:46

  I think it is a great idea! I was a bit cold at the start, but it definitely add some more creative liberty while still keeping the intended purpose. I think it is important to keep a field for that in the sidebar, as it represents basically the first impression of the character, and will more useful than a long developed text on the question to have a refresher on the character.

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  by zpires
  on 2022-02-05 04:34

  my recommendation: Sex, on the sidebar, for assigned sex at birth. Gender identity, also on the sidebar, for gender identity Gender presentation, in the main body under the Social category, for how said gender identity plays out on physical, social, romantic/sexual, and personal levels.

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  by A Fluffy Elf
  on 2022-02-05 04:28

  Personally, a sidebar option for sex, another for gender, and a field for gender presentation (not in the sidebar) would be preferable. People could choose which field they would like to fill out for each particular character, and go into depth about how one might present themselves in the bulk of the character article under gender presentation.

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  by Ademal
  on 2022-02-05 04:27

  I would just name the field "Presentation", rather than "Presenting As", because that's a more common nomenclature.

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  by Monkos
  on 2022-02-05 04:25

  I agree with spartango's suggestion - brief fields for sex, gender, and pronouns serve for the at-a-glance nature of the sidebar, followed by a more in-depth body-text prompt for the more in-depth topic of gender expression and presentation.

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  by spartango
  on 2022-02-05 04:21

  My vote goes to having {sex, gender identity, pronouns} as options for the sidebar and then a {gender expression/presentation} option to be placed in the body. Gender expression is so easy to fluctuate from day to day, or even throughout a single day, that if it's important enough to mention in an article, it should probably be given the appropriate space to go into detail.

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  by wolfoflight2003
  on 2022-02-05 04:00

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  by 339X
  on 2022-02-05 03:54

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  by Robotics5
  on 2022-02-05 03:54

  Personally I think it would be best to have it just be gender

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  by Ratha
  on 2022-02-05 03:31

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  by jkmcne
  on 2022-02-05 01:39

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  by A Cute Dryad
  on 2022-02-05 01:10

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  by A Fierce Orc
  on 2022-02-05 00:35

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  by Michael Chandra
  on 2022-02-04 23:26

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  by idki
  on 2022-02-04 22:34

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  by Scalenex
  on 2022-02-04 22:20

  I don't think this is necessary. It seems to be getting deep into the weeds of semantic categories.   For characters who are not binary, there is already an option in the character template for explaining this nuance. In fact, right under presented sex it says the following: 'If you want to expand on Sexuality or Gender Identity, fill the prompts under the "Mental" tab.'

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  by A Fierce Dragon
  on 2022-02-04 22:15

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  by Morison
  on 2022-02-04 21:49

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  by GregorMcleod
  on 2022-02-04 21:22

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  by Cyborg Starfish
  on 2022-02-04 18:49

  As a fellow trans person the whole 'presented sex' thing is just incredibly weird to me. Glad to know I'm not the only one in this. I hope it gets addressed.

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  by A Lusty Unicorn
  on 2022-02-04 18:48

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  by Serukis
  on 2022-02-04 18:44

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  by Qurilion
  on 2022-02-04 18:42

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  by SolarCat02
  on 2022-02-04 18:40

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  by Silverlite_Sword
  on 2022-02-04 18:07