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Bring back the manual save button

User Interface (UI) / User Experience (UX) · Articles & templates · Created by Scrolls Terminal
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There used to be a manual save button in addition to the auto-save that we currently have. The current feature is great, except when I need to leave an article in a hurry and I am not sure if it will have time to autosave, so I wait the five seconds to ensure autosave has caught edits, causing uneccesary time wasteage.      Adding the save button back would give us peace of mind that the save process had been initiated once we are done editing and that we can safely leave the page. It restores more control to the human writing the article.

Follow up


Just to follow up on a couple of these counter points. I have personally lost data due to the autosave and have had to go back and double work because of it (I spent two hours last night correcting articles that had not saved the last mention article in a list last night in fact), and for those saying just type one character and then delete it, that is two button presses and associated movement without confirmation as opposed to one and associated movement with confirmation
... This is to follow up on the follow up. the last part should have said one press of the save button. The inclusion of parenthesis caused the bold, and exception of my statement about the save button.
The UI update did not address this issue, I am having to do double work constantly to ensure what I input into the system is kept.   The system might be saving every 350 milliseconds, but that is not how long it takes out here in the world to get a response for some of us. I can easily sit here for five seconds waiting for a saved response from the server after inputting and deleting characters to trigger the save, which is a ridiculous replacement for the save button. Additionally, sometimes after receiving a saved response my mentioned articles still don't show up with links in the article, so this system from my perspective is a step backwards from the basic functionality of the save button where I did not have these issues.

The Team's Response

Thanks for your suggestion! We know that there were issues with the auto-save, but UI update has addressed them. The save button will not be coming back, and as we update other parts of the website, it will eventually disappear from other locations as well.   For those which save anxiety (a totally understandable and relatable feeling), be aware that the timer between saves is not 5 seconds, it's 350 milliseconds (i.e. it attempts to save almost 3 times per second). On the top right, under the "View/Preview" buttons, there is a timestamp that updates every few seconds to let you know that the auto-save is going through.   Additionally, if the save fails, you will be warned by the system: if you have been disconnected (either because of a local problem or because the server's down), a pop-up will appear and prevent you from writing until you reload. The pop-up appears immediately after a save fails, which means that it will appear 350 milliseconds after the last save at the latest (which means that the page is safe to reload without losing work). On the other hand, if you used a special character (such as an unsupported emoji), a red error will appear at the top right as well.   Please keep in mind that World Anvil is not designed to be used on multiple tabs or devices at the same time. Doing this might cause data loss if you have the same article open for editing in two different places.   If you encounter issues with the autosave that are not covered by the two error messages I mentioned, please report them as bugs.
Current score

62/300 Votes · +11904 points

Votes Cast

  • +100

    by shay the fae
    on 2024-02-29 02:30
  • +100

    by Hyperchip
    on 2024-02-28 18:57
  • +300

    by Smintea
    on 2024-02-28 03:39
  • +300

    by Gregorian
    on 2024-02-27 23:54
  • +300

    by A Goodhearted Hobbit
    on 2024-02-27 22:04
  • +300

    by Thavner
    on 2024-02-27 04:06
  • +300

    by PrincessESH
    on 2024-02-26 22:32
    Yes please! I don't understand why they removed it. The autosave function is great but it's not always reliable, and from what I understand about autosaves, they are usually used as a backup to a manual save, not a replacement! Furthermore, not every action that you take in an article will trigger the autosave, so I find myself adding and deleting a random letter or a spacebar to trigger it. Wouldn't it make sense to just... click the save button instead?
  • +300

    by thepocketGM
    on 2024-02-26 00:59
    I haven't had extreme time-loss, but I will absolutely agree that there are times where even the editor/browser doesn't recognize that a hiccup in connection or simply the web-state hasn't been detected, and so it won't prompt one way or another if there is a problem or lack of saving.   On *some* occasions it will warn me that I should copy all of the text as it cannot guarantee a save or some such, but it's not enough of a safeguard.   I'm not sure what the reasoning/logic behind removing a QoL feature was, but I desperately agree it should be returned.
  • +300

    by CannedStrawberries
    on 2024-02-25 00:13
  • +300

    by RandomD&DNerd
    on 2024-02-24 18:01
  • +300

    by S.R. Crane
    on 2024-02-23 22:50
  • +300

    by JaenJaenJaen
    on 2024-02-23 18:30
  • +300

    by restlessGalaxy
    on 2024-02-23 09:03
    The removal of the save button personally has given me some silly anxiety that things aren't saved, so it would provide an IMMENSE peace of mind to see it returned.
  • +300

    by Pete Nelson
    on 2024-02-23 05:31
    Just recently, I have had edits not autosave. This has happened when I switched editors for spell checking, made edits in the editor that does the spell checking (I've forgotten the names of the editor views, sorry), then switched back to my default editor. I think this was a reported bug some time ago that was marked as resolved. Unfortunately, that bug has either crept back in or it was not actually fully resolved. I don't see any harm in having a Save button along with the autosave functionality, and I don't know why the WA team insisted on removing it. I'd like a Save button - that actually works! - just for the peace of mind, if nothing else.
  • +300

    by Eles Dee
    on 2024-02-22 12:10
    There are times when it doesn't autosave, like placing other articles related to the article. Also, like games, it feel ensure to save manually, like double tap.
  • +300

    by M. Dixon Games
    on 2024-02-22 07:07
  • +100

    by MasterTamari
    on 2024-02-22 05:11
    I miss the old save button. I sadly doubt the Devs will bring it back but might as well try lol
  • +300

    by Renufus
    on 2024-02-22 03:12
  • +300

    by A Lusty Orc
    on 2024-02-21 21:26
  • -300

    by YngAnvil1
    on 2024-02-21 18:57
  • +300

    by ashensoul314
    on 2024-02-20 23:58
  • +300

    by fwalton
    on 2024-02-20 22:02
  • -300

    by SoulLink
    on 2024-02-20 17:45
  • +300

    by Polyduces
    on 2024-02-20 10:58
  • +300

    by Geneticwolf
    on 2024-02-20 05:36
  • +300

    by ur9ce
    on 2024-02-18 15:34
  • +300

    by Auron Bladesong
    on 2024-02-17 20:51
  • +300

    by danieln
    on 2024-02-17 19:36
  • +100

    by A Adorable Velociraptor
    on 2024-02-17 18:34
  • -300

    by Keon Croucher
    on 2024-02-17 11:17
  • +300

    by KanadianKerbal
    on 2024-02-16 17:59
  • +300

    by DesNordlund
    on 2024-02-16 14:27
    Even if it is psycological, that safety is important. It is not fun to see work disapear.
  • +300

    by Snoopdigglet
    on 2024-02-13 23:43
    I'm cognisant that this is a largely psychological change, (although of note when copy pasting text if you don't type anything it won't save and publish) but this would make my autistic 'lil brain happy :)
  • +1

    by eldknighterrant
    on 2024-02-12 20:02
  • +1

    by LilMissNerdyBird
    on 2024-02-11 20:25
  • +100

    by LeeStepp
    on 2024-02-11 18:08
  • +1

    by Chrysochus
    on 2024-02-11 13:26
  • -100

    by beebidon
    on 2024-02-11 02:01
    It's really easy to trigger the auto-save: just type one character, which you can then delete again.
  • -1

    by A Adorable Elf
    on 2024-02-10 21:11
    I suggest pressing “space” then “delete” once if you want to make extra sure autosave is doing its thing, that’s always worked for me. It’s even faster than pressing a save button while essentially doing the same thing. Bringing back the save button just seems a bit redundant to me.
  • +300

    by Aldebaran Aventus
    on 2024-02-10 20:24
  • +100

    by Jupiter Melichios
    on 2024-02-10 02:25
  • +300

    by A Sneaky Skeleton
    on 2024-02-09 23:51
  • +300

    by GuardianMGX
    on 2024-02-09 21:50
    I like autosave as much as anyone, but I also want to rest assured that something has definitely saved before I move to the next thing!
  • -300

    by A Cute Dwarf
    on 2024-02-09 15:21
    I understand the psychological security factor about having a save button but I think any peace of mind you might feel from using such a button is illusory and this is a case where it's better to adapt your thinking rather than World Anvil's processing. A save button does not help if your internet connection is broken and a save button does not help if you have an article open in multiple browsers or tabs. The old save button didn't prevent the "corruption" of the loss of the link data caused by applying an article link with no other change last (and this is still true now, so I always add and remove a space if the link was the last edit). The frequency of saving is so good that it really shouldn't be something you need to worry about, over and above the reasons that can cause data loss just described where the button doesn't help. Can anyone honestly say they've lost data due to the lack of the button? But I bet plenty of people have NOT lost data they otherwise would have, with no button. I've got to vote this one down because psychological reasons alone aren't really the right ones for making this kind of change. Sorry.
  • +300

    by tofistig
    on 2024-02-09 09:13
    I am paranoid about losing progress in articles, so when the save button was around I used it a lot, just to doubly make sure everything was properly saved. I would also love to see the save button's return, for my peace of mind.
  • +300

    by KatCap
    on 2024-02-09 08:40
  • +100

    by Drawkill Dragon
    on 2024-02-09 03:36
  • +300

    by HandOfZion
    on 2024-02-09 00:45
  • +300

    by TherenMoog
    on 2024-02-09 00:26
  • +1

    by sunny
    on 2024-02-08 16:15
  • +100

    by MKHETH II
    on 2024-02-08 15:18
  • +100

    by A Enfeebled Mimic
    on 2024-02-08 11:25
  • +100

    by JetpackMonkey
    on 2024-02-08 09:22
  • +100

    by SilverReaper45
    on 2024-02-08 06:58
  • +300

    by Ratha
    on 2024-02-08 06:05
  • +300

    by J_Fitz
    on 2024-02-08 00:57
  • +300

    by A Mischievous Unicorn
    on 2024-02-07 21:28
    I, too, prefer when there are manual buttons for things like this, even if just for my own peace of mind!
  • +100

    by Belial Onthra
    on 2024-02-07 19:53
  • +1

    by tjtrewin
    on 2024-02-07 18:36
  • +300

    by Mochimanoban
    on 2024-02-07 18:32
  • +300

    by WeStanNikolai
    on 2024-02-07 18:30
  • +300

    by Vazdimet
    on 2024-02-07 18:30
  • +300

    by Scrolls Terminal
    on 2024-02-07 17:40