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Additional article discovery tools for community

Feature Upgrade · Articles & templates · Created by Ononomad
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What functionality is missing? What is unsatisfying with the current situation?

  The current methods of most liked and most viewed for discovering new articles (on https://www.worldanvil.com/community/discover) are fine, but do tend to weight themselves to articles that are already liked and viewed. They have a reinforcing feedback loop iherent in them which makes it harder for less-known authors to be seen.   It would be interesting to see if discovery of good quality articles from newer authors could be improved by having an option for 'likes to view ratio' (with a snappier name).   eg: article 1: 10 likes / 100 views = value of 0.1 article 2: 10 likes / 10 views = value of 1.0 etc...   Might need to have 'minimum of X views' applied so that 1 like / 1 view articles don't dominate.  

How does this feature request address the current situation?

Help newer contributors get more visibility in the discover articles page.  

other enhnacements

Potentially the discover page could have a single list that users apply sorts too: by most liked, most viewed, like-view ratio, and maybe other filters... show me 'best dark fantasy world articles' or 'most liked and viewed species articles' etc.

Follow up


I'm basically in agreement with Dylonishere's feedback - it is ultimately about growing the community and everyone being more active at each level in reading and sharing the love... which is great, and one of the things that WA is actually has a really nice vibe with. I don't think its one or the other though, i just thought maybe a small tweak to existing algorithms might help a bit. All popularity lists across the history of this sort of thing have the same challenges, and weirdly it can be whole array of almost random contextual timing that affects how contributions get traction or not, and possibly small tweaks can have bigger than expected impacts. Thought something like it might be worth a try. Everyone still needs to do the work of writing, sharing, appreciating, helping of course. And also - remembering we're here to build worlds, not get likes :-)

The Team's Response

Hello there beans :)   Article discovery is something that was part of the community update suggested in the Future of the Anvil community survey.   It got BY REALLY far the lowest demand to the point that the second worst required feature had 3 times the points of this.   We will still be doing the update but the consensus said that there are much more important things to this community.   Just to clarify I do agree with most points and Dylon is right on the dot with many of them as well.
Current score

33/300 Votes · +5440 points

Votes Cast

  • +200

    by FenDawnchild
    on 2022-02-01 13:48
  • +10

    by spartacus007
    on 2022-01-25 23:46
  • +200

    by hyperstructure
    on 2022-01-25 07:12
  • +50

    by Julez_
    on 2022-01-21 16:15
  • -300

    by A Rambunctious Dimensional Horror
    on 2022-01-21 06:44
  • -300

    by Chrispy_0
    on 2022-01-20 20:18
    The code is broken and the system needs an overhaul, period. I published several articles this month that were the most liked/viewed in their seven day period and they never showed on the articles page. As of this writing, I have an article written four days ago that is approaching 200 views and 14 likes and doesn't appear on any list even though it should be there.   That said, I agree with Dylonishere123. This suggestion is not the way to do it even though the like-view feedback loop is inherently broken and very unfairly weighs certain people over others.
  • +300

    by Dexter Kaufman
    on 2022-01-20 06:35
  • -300

    by Dylonishere123
    on 2022-01-19 16:56
      Maybe I'm misunderstanding. The current system does, indeed, weigh itself on articles that have views and likes. It's what it's intended to do, but within a given time frame. Without it, articles I wrote ages ago would still be there due to having consistent views over time   I can confirm that the feedback loop is not as big of a deal as you may think. I have to actively promote an article and once I do, it may get the views and or likes to end up on the list. Yes, being up there for X amount of time can cause it to gain more views and likes, thus staying on the list for longer periods of time, but it's actually easier and more likely for me to just end up on the list again with another article I publish in the next day or two.   There is still a problem: newer, or at least less visible anvilites getting their time to shine. I agree wholeheartedly. Many of us in the community share lesser known authors and articles that we feel deserve attention and it's something WA is definitely aware of. The January reading challenge is an example of this problem being looked into.   View ratios and extra lists are not the solution. It feels more like treating a symptom and not solving the real problem. To get the likes and views, it takes time and dedication. Newer anvilites have to go through a series of hurdles just to get eyes on their work and that's just for views. No one gets a hundred followers overnight.   It's not that their work isn't worth it, it's that there's too many voices all wanting to be heard and not enough ears to hear them. Everyone wants those views and likes. Everyone wants those comments. This has always kind of been the case but as the community grew the problem grew along with it.   What we need is more people willing to read and engage with other people's work, not another means of throwing articles out there and hoping it sticks with those that already do. Let me put it this way.   At the time of writing this, I'm listed three times between two articles, and the one I published last night has 2 or 3 likes. That's a pretty low barrier to entry compared to what the challenges have shown us recently. Out of all the likes these two articles have, not a single one is a new reader. They are all people who consistently engage with my work from their notifications, and those I try to engage with in kind. Remember, This is not a community of fans and creators. It's a community of peers. We all deserve to be heard. There's just not enough of us listening.     Now all that being said, I love the idea of adding depth to the lists that are already there. Most viewed fantasy or most liked horror articles would be a lovely addition that allows people to search for what they want as opposed to a random pool of articles. I'd get behind that in a heartbeat.
  • +300

    by Gavionara
    on 2022-01-19 08:17
  • +100

    by PrippyMontyPoppyCock
    on 2022-01-19 01:32
  • +100

    by PrincessESH
    on 2022-01-19 00:24
    Yes, I would love for there to at least be more filters on the community pages. It's mostly all the same articles and worlds I've seen before... I'd like to be able to find more creators!
  • +300

    by A Fierce Skeleton
    on 2022-01-18 20:56
  • +300

    by Bernsteinschmiede
    on 2022-01-18 17:11
  • +50

    by Odinson Games
    on 2022-01-18 15:56
  • +300

    by ClarissaGosling
    on 2022-01-18 15:07
  • +20

    by toffepajja
    on 2022-01-18 09:08
  • +300

    by TheRealSpaceBandito
    on 2022-01-18 05:57
  • +50

    by Taq
    on 2022-01-18 03:23
  • +100

    by A Frightened Goblin
    on 2022-01-18 00:02
  • +300

    by A Revolutionary Unicorn
    on 2022-01-17 22:25
  • +300

    by Silverlite_Sword
    on 2022-01-17 16:45
    We have lots of ways to tag our worlds and our articles. These should be put to full use in the discovery queue.
  • +300

    by Lenosallose
    on 2022-01-17 08:37
  • +300

    by Jontaro
    on 2022-01-17 03:11
  • +300

    by Ratha
    on 2022-01-16 19:54
  • +300

    by UnknownWriter88
    on 2022-01-15 16:18
    YES!!!
  • +200

    by storyauthor
    on 2022-01-15 04:13
  • +10

    by Jaredonian
    on 2022-01-15 03:16
  • +50

    by AntimatterNuke
    on 2022-01-14 19:33
  • +200

    by blurrito
    on 2022-01-14 19:15
  • +200

    by Winger
    on 2022-01-14 15:11
    The team said on a stream somewhere that right now they aren't able to use filters/search bars, I think, because it would break the site to sift through the tens of millions of articles. I do, however, agree that is pretty difficult to get your work out there, and I understand the struggle. I'd say that unless we get a further update on this, to head over to the discord to share your stuff.
  • +300

    by SoulLink
    on 2022-01-14 14:01
    Not a big fan of the proposed filters, but discovery definitely needs to gain some priority!   I hope one day we'll have a full catalogue with proper facetted search :)
  • +300

    by Adcheryl
    on 2022-01-14 09:22
  • +300

    by Kefkejaco
    on 2022-01-14 08:25
  • +300

    by Ononomad
    on 2022-01-14 06:43