The war that Ukin got caught up in was no small incident. Unfortunately it came down to a first contact going wrong due to greed and power lust. Nusuli earned his title by being treacherous enough to trigger a civil war to gather followers to consolidate power and grab more territory. With a long drawn out counter campaign, steeped in dancing with the Nightscale and Shadow, Nusuli's campaign was brought to a halt when it no longer became financially viable. I still have not seen any trace of the two Elders.